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DuckMuck
02-21-2001, 12:03 PM
I was just wondering how many people here have W124 400E/E420...I just wanted to do a head count...it seems there aren't many of us...I am ONE...any more? plz reply!!!

PS I'll let you guys see this Carlsson front spoiler I found...what you guys think? looks pretty good right?

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/dl70/pictures/e124_aero_ew124front.jpg

Webmaster
02-21-2001, 01:51 PM
My wife has a 1995 E420

MitchLampson
02-22-2001, 10:19 AM
1994 E420. 80K miles. --Mitch

johnp352
02-22-2001, 07:42 PM
94 E420 94.5k bought 01/10/01

Anthony
02-23-2001, 12:48 AM
92 400E 112k and many more to go. This car ROCKS!!

MitchLampson
02-23-2001, 01:53 AM
Geez, I seemed to have started a "bore-a-thon" with my cryptic response, so allow me to expand: my car is awesome. I had an '86 300E 5-speed and was really looking for more power. Boy, did I get it! (I do miss my manny tranny, though) I'm going to be doing some upgrades to it over the next several years, starting with 17" AMG wheels from TireRack, 225/45/17 tires (Bridgestone Potenza RE 730's??--I think Doc Fuentes has those on his), Eibach springs, Bilstein sport shocks. If I go completely insane (or win the lottery), swap out the airbox for Renntech one, swap out rear-end for 3.07 from older SL, rig for watertightedness, add some air ballasts and a rudder, and then: wings! This will be a land, sea, and air m'er f'er that NO ONE will want to mess with! (Or I could just get a 500E...) --Mitch

Dr. Julio Fuentes
02-23-2001, 02:25 AM
The Doc's in the house...
1995 E420 113K fun-tastic miles
17' Monoblocks, RE730's, Eibachs, and a lead foot.

Coming soon, in preparation for track use:
stainless steel brake lines, slotted rotors, and Mintex pads. (oh... what the heck... and a helmet too!)

Enjoy your rides, gang!

-Dr. Julio Fuentes, BS MD PhD

ocpdba
02-23-2001, 09:02 AM
93 400e, awaken the tiger and let it hunt.

Just put the Euro lamps in today, but they forgot to send bulbs, and I can't bring myself to take them back out.

Anyone know where I can get some bulbs (hella 55/100?) in the Dallas area?

Jack

brianw
02-24-2001, 12:25 AM
I bought mine on 12/23/00, and simply love this car. As Mitch said, I too was looking for the Mercedes V8. My mods so far are 17" AMG 5 spoke replicas, Michelin 215/45 Sports, clear corners, Eibach lowering springs, Sportline sway bars, front and rear, K&N filters, cross drilled rotors (yes I read the thred, but wanted them anyway), Mintex pads, stainless steel lines, Alpine cd/changer, Infinity 3.5", 5.25", 6.5" Kappa series speakers, Infinity 12" Kappa sub, Alpine V12 5 channel amp, Phoenix Gold xs2500 amp. I just painted the front plastic grill insert black, turned out great, and ordered new chrome strips and hood emblem. Am ordering Euro lights tomorrow, and am looking for a good shifter level for an all black interior. Might do the chip sometime in the future.

I love driving this car!

Take care,
Brian W.

ocpdba
02-24-2001, 01:00 AM
Ah ha!

I was in Discount Tires Friday looking at some 17x8 Replica Alloys (AMG look) wheels. What size are yours? I am hearing that the 8 inch might be too wide, but you know, I have yet to hear someone say "yes, I put 8 inchers on and yes, they were too wide and yes, I am sorry." It seems like everyone I have seen respond to this question does so on a theoretical basis, which does not totally satisfy me.

What do you think? 8 inch too wide?

Jack

Anthony
02-24-2001, 02:15 AM
8 inch is on the max for this vehicle.(from what ive been told) I have 225/40/18 on 8 with an offset of 40.(I had them shaved from 35 to 40) Dude, I'll get pic's so all of ya'll can see it. No, there not AMG wheels, There better. Still working on Euro heads, and 94 tail lights. wait and see....

brianw
02-24-2001, 02:23 AM
Yes, I put the 8" rims on, and they are not too wide for my taste. The car looks "healthy" with these tires and line up to the edge of the fenders quite well. This is a subjective interpretation of the setup, but I like the look and have had many compliments on the car already. I live in Iowa, so it isn't often to see a car set up this way.

Hopefully I'll post some pictures, and you can decide for yourself. Mechanically, there is no rubbing anywhere with the 215's, but was advised there might be some rubbing if I went wider.

By the way, did you have an opportunity to compare the AMG's to the replica's? I posted earlier how the replica's had a visually superior finish than the original AMG's when I purchased mine.

Also, Duck Muck, any other pictures of the spoiler? I would be interested in seeing different angles. You thinkin about getting one?

Take care,
Brian W.

czwbkx
02-24-2001, 05:17 AM
Mine's a 92 400E, white with grey leather. I've added AMG Aero II 7.5 x 17 with 205 50 17 HTRZ2s and the Alpine trunk-mounted changer with factory wiring.

Does anyone know of a good transmission valve mod? I don't get a good downshift from a rolling start (ie expressway merging)? Will add a chip when I find a good one.

Euro lights are appealing, but I don't want to give up the automatic circuit monitoring system or wipers, so I'll wait until I can figure out a way to keep them with a Euro conversion.

R.

ocpdba
02-24-2001, 12:18 PM
When you say you had them shaved from 35 to 40, you mean that you put spacers in to change the offset?

Jack
93 400e

DuckMuck
02-24-2001, 04:57 PM
brianw,

Sorry, but that is the only picture of the Carlsson front spoiler that I have...I think it has since been taken off the Carlsson website. I like it very much, but am leaning more towards the updated AMG front spoiler for the 94-'95 W124.

MedMech
02-24-2001, 05:44 PM
DuckMuck I deleted that thread thanks for your help!:)))

Bob I
02-24-2001, 09:24 PM
1995 E420 Special Edition 55,000 miles

Purchased May 2000 with Starmark Warranty

brianw
02-24-2001, 09:30 PM
Hey Bob,

What options does a Special Edition have?

Thank you,
Brian W.

Bob I
02-25-2001, 03:39 PM
Back in 1995 Mercedes had a tough time moving the W124 E class since the new E Class was coming in the 1996 model year. I think Lexus was also hurting them some. Mercedes offered a Special Edition on the 300D, E320 and E420 that was designed to spur sales. The package included special metallic paint, and integrated cell phone, CD player, 10 speaker sound system, drivers seat and steering column memory, stainless steel door sills, special alloy wheels and walnut interior trim. On the 300/320 series the extra cost was about $1,295 for the options that were worth about $4,300. I haven't yet requested a copy of the original window sticker for my E420 so I'm not sure what the extra cost for the Special Edition package was on it. The E420 already had burl walnut trim, driver seat memory, and special wheels so maybe the charge was less than $1,295. My color is Emerald Green which I think isn't that common on the E class. When I went looking for a 1995 E420, the Special Edition was a nice plus.

DuckMuck
02-25-2001, 05:44 PM
Bob I,

Odd, I bought my car new from the dealership new in '95 and never heard of this "Special Edition"...from your list, the only thing that I can pick out is the upgraded speaker package which includes the 6-disc CD changer, which I got...and the cell phone mounted in the center armrest...the other things all came standard with the E420. Emerald Green is a standard metallic colour like Black Pearl for the W124's, and is quite popular in Vancouver, so I can't seem to pick out anything special in this case. What are these "special" alloy wheels? The E320 and E420 had the same 8-hole alloy wheels as all other cars basically. Do you have a picture? Are they AMG wheels? I've never heard of this package before...and it was never offered to me...thanx for the feedback.

[Edited by DuckMuck on 02-25-2001 at 04:49 PM]

Bob I
02-25-2001, 07:35 PM
DuckMuck,

The alloy wheels are 6 hole. I thought the E420's came with special 6 hole wheels to set them apart from the E320's just like they now do with the E320/E430 models. Since you have the 8 hole wheels this apparently wasn't the case back then. I'm not sure I like the 6 hole wheels better than the standard 8 hole ones. I bought almost new 5 hole 16" wheels from a 1999 E430 which I think look better. I don't have a picture of the 6 hole wheels but try the following address and it should take you to an E320 for sale on eBay that has them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=562855218

Were stainless steel door sills standard on the E420 in 1995? Since most of the Special Edition items could be purchased as options, it was the reduced pricing of the options as a special package that made it different. As indicated in my first reply, because many of these features were standard on the E420, the Special Edition pricing was probably less than on the E320. I think Mercedes offered these Special Editions sometime toward the end of the 1995 model year. In June of 1995 I had an E300 4-matic coming off of lease and I remember seeing a 1995 E class Special Edition E320 in the dealer showroom. I believe they also have had Special Editions of other models over the last 5 years. I could probably dig through some old MBCA Star magazines from that time for an article about the Special Editions. They usually covered things like that, so if it is improtant to you I can do that when I get time.

DuckMuck
02-25-2001, 08:10 PM
I'm sorry, I've never seen these "stainless steel door sills" before, neither do I see it in the options list that came with my car...do you have a picture? I've never heard of the Special Edition; do you have some sort of special badge somewhere or certificate? I bought my car in the latter half of '95, and it was never presented to me, although I still have the options list with pricing next to them sitting at home, and I don't see anything regarding a Special Edition. This is actually the first time I have ever heard of such a thing. I sort of see it as an option package, maybe offered locally by a dealership, or only in the US? My car was purchased from Mercedes Benz of Canada, so maybe it wasn't offered in Canada. I remember at the time, Mercedes never offered entire "option" packages that BMW seem to like to do, but offered optional equipment individually. I guess flipping through old magazines won't be necessary...my interest is simply outta pure curiousity...thanx for the feedback. Anybody ELSE heard of this "Special Edition"???

Anthony
02-25-2001, 09:02 PM
Nope, The rims where at an offset of 35. When we put them on, they stuck out a little. My guy said that the rims needed to be shaved about 5 mm. I even thought that it would go from 35 to 30. apparently, when you shave the rim you go up when you put spacers, you go down. Who knew..

dsantos
02-25-2001, 09:49 PM
Count me in....

1992 400e. Black with Tan interior.

Looks stock, but what is underneath that counts.

-David

Bob I
02-26-2001, 12:08 AM
I found the following information after researching this further:
Mercedes Benz of North America claimed the 1995 E Class Special Editions were to celebrate the 10th year of production of the W124 series. While the E320 and E300 diesel included the options at the $1,295 special price, the E420 package cost only $495 since it already had most of the features. Paint colors available were Moonstone Grey, Azure Blue, Sapphire Black (exclusive to the Special Edition) and a new color Brilliant Emerald Green. The Special Edition was introduced around April of 1995.

DuckMuck
02-26-2001, 01:31 AM
oooooooooo...what is sapphire black? is it monochrome black? I love black! blacker the better!

NoDubs
02-28-2001, 12:11 AM
1993 400E. 125,000 miles.

DuckMuck
02-28-2001, 07:25 AM
Lebenz,

Okay, I was confused by what Bob I was sayin', 'cause there seems to be so many names for 'em: door vestibules, door sills, etc. I just call it the "footstep"...anyways, the footstep that Bob I is referring to is this which is mounted to a black pearl W124 (courtesy of akry):

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/dl70/pictures/04291bka.jpg

As you can see, the new stainless steal footstep mounts OVER the original two-chrome strip footstep...and you can see the original footstep is longer, so it protrudes out from underneath...not very elegant in my opinion...can you rip off the original and stick on the new footstep? I hate that protruding part...it looks ugly...but I guess it is a matter of taste...

wjm
02-28-2001, 11:50 PM
94 E420. White and still all stock, except for the new Leather/burlwood shifter. Purchased last 1/01. 65,000 miles.



[Edited by wjm on 02-28-2001 at 10:54 PM]

dsantos
03-01-2001, 10:13 AM
czwbkx,

In regards to the transmission downshift;

There is a cable adjustment you can do that may help with the kickdown. By tightening up the cable, you can adjust the amount of throttle needed to induce a downshift.

I believe the name of it is a "bowden" cable. The cable leads from the throttle linkage down to the transmission. There is a plastic adjustment nut that controlls the amount of slack/tenssion on the cable. With the car off, the cable should not have any slack on it. When the throttle is depressed, the cable should move immediatily.

I set mine that once the adjustment nut took up all the slack, I gave it another full turn so there is about 1mm of preload on the cable.

You may also have a problem with the kickdown swith behind the accelerator pedal. When you stand on the pedal, you should be able to hear and feel the switch engaging. Make sure there is nothing getting in the way such as a floor mat or other piece of carpet/padding.

Hope this helps.

David Santos
'92 400e Black/Tan
Superchips EPROM
K&N Filters
500e sway bars
Bilstein HDs
Magnaflow muffler

Bob I
03-02-2001, 09:37 AM
My 1995 E420 doesn't fully cover the original footstep similar to the photo posted. It does cover it slightly more, but you can still see part of the original two-chrome strips. The passenger and rear door sills all fit fine however. I thought mine hadn't been installed properly and just needed some adjustment, but I haven't attempted to see if it can be corrected. Does anyone know if all the Special Editions have this same poor fitting problem?

Someone last year started selling after market stainless door sills for some Mercedes models. Has anyone seen these and if so, how do they fit?

DuckMuck
03-04-2001, 02:07 PM
Okay, I checked up the responses to this thread, and made up a list:

01) '95 E420 DuckMuck
02) '95 E420 Webmaster
03) '95 E420 Bob I
04) '95 E420 Dr. Julio Fuentes

05) '94 E420 MitchLampson
06) '94 E420 johnp352
07) '94 E420 wjm

08) '93 400E ocpdba
09) '93 400E NoDubs

10) '92 400E Lebenz
11) '92 400E Anthony
12) '92 400E czwbkx
13) '92 400E dsantos
14) '92 400E brianw

Maybe there are some people who didn't respond, but it seems we have 14 400E/E420's on this board...so takin' into account that there are 3271 members from what I see, we represent approximately 0.428% of the M-B population on MercedesShop!!! I guess we're a rare breed...I guess I'll update the list as people respond...I think it is kinda neat to keep tabs on the 400E/E420 population...thanx guys!

[Edited by DuckMuck on 03-04-2001 at 01:40 PM]

brianw
03-04-2001, 02:32 PM
I didn't realize I had not included the year...it is a 1992. A rare group indeed. Does anyone know the production numbers for the respective years?

DuckMuck
03-04-2001, 02:53 PM
brianw,

There is actually a list of production #'s at http://www.mbusa.com but unfortunately, the furthest back it will go is '93, so it just missed '92. However, from the page, this is the info that I am able to piece together:

Year | Sales | $Price$ | Engine Specs
1992 | ???? | $????? | 4.2L V8, 268hp, 295lb-ft, 10:1
1993 | 3,321 | $56,400 | 4.2L V8, 275hp, 295lb-ft, 11:1
1994 | 4,217 | $51,000 | 4.2L V8, 275hp, 295lb-ft, 11:1
1995 | 2,843 | $52,500 | 4.2L V8, 275hp, 295lb-ft, 11:1

I got this info from:

http://www.mbusa.com/Starmark/container.jsp?/Starmark/overview/overview_engine.jsp&subNav=overview&yearModelCode=88_E400S&class=88_E&rnav=024568&menu=0_2

[Edited by DuckMuck on 03-04-2001 at 01:59 PM]

DuckMuck
03-04-2001, 03:12 PM
One thing I want to point out, is that there seems to be some misinformation/confusion...I'm flipping through the site that I gave brianw, and this is what I gather:

'92 400E = 4.2L V8 w/ 268hp, 295lb-ft, 10:1
'92 400SE/SEL = 4.2L V8 w/ 282hp, 302lb-ft, 10:1

'93 400E = 4.2L V8 w/ 275hp, 295lb-ft, 11:1
'93 S420 = 4.2L V8 w/ 275hp, 295lb-ft, 11:1

so it seems that with the rollover between '92 to '93, the E-Class 400's GAINED power, while the S-Class 400's LOST power...but it seems people are translating the loss of power in the S-Class over the '92 to '93 model year to also be true for E-Class...which does not seem to be true from the website...I dunno if the site is right or wrong...anybody wanna double check?...however, from the site, it would seem that BEFORE '93, the 400E and 400SE/SEL had two seperate versions of the 4.2L V8...

I also remember reading from magazines that '92 400E had 268hp, the one that I remember was a Road&Track long term test...where the writer compared the car to Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries"...that is all that I can recall...

[Edited by DuckMuck on 03-04-2001 at 02:20 PM]

NoDubs
03-05-2001, 08:41 PM
This is intersting stuff! :)

Yury
03-14-2001, 05:58 PM
I just purchased my arctic White E420 this month and I think I'm in love !!!

Good Day Gents

screedchan
03-14-2001, 07:01 PM
Count me in. 1994 E420 with 108,000 miles. Green with tan leather. An absolute bullet on the freeway!

DuckMuck
03-14-2001, 10:19 PM
01) '95 E420 DuckMuck
02) '95 E420 Webmaster
03) '95 E420 Bob I
04) '95 E420 Dr. Julio Fuentes

05) '94 E420 MitchLampson
06) '94 E420 johnp352
07) '94 E420 wjm
08) '94 E420 screedchan
09) '94 E420 Yury

10) '93 400E ocpdba
11) '93 400E NoDubs

12) '92 400E Lebenz
13) '92 400E Anthony
14) '92 400E czwbkx
15) '92 400E dsantos
16) '92 400E brianw

Okay, I updated the list...it is nice to know there are others of the same kind out there!

DUCK DUCK DUCK

Clauser1
02-20-2002, 10:36 PM
I'm checkin'in.(I'm gonna pluck him to death
when I see him).:D :D

Cris
02-23-2002, 12:57 AM
I am also a proud owner of a E420 1995 Charcoal / Grey Leather interiors...

Now it is at the shop for some upgrades on wheels & tires, suspension, interior ( Burlwood / Leather Steering Wheel & Shift Knob, and Sill Plates ).

Ahhhh...! Before I forget, also I am replacing the blinkers with clear ones !

Will post pictures after the upgrades for your opinion !

Gary Ganaway
02-23-2002, 08:25 AM
1995 E420, 57,000 miles, Silver w/lt grey interior

Cris
02-23-2002, 09:20 AM
Happy BuyDay to your 400E!;)

akry
02-23-2002, 04:55 PM
Duck,

Change over from1992 to 1993, 400E DID indeed get a HP boost due to different engine management(I think... can't remember exact)... 400SE became 400SEL in 1993, and indeed lost power(and all S-Class lost power), due to emission regulations...500E also LOST power from 1993 and on....again, due to regulations...

Andy Kuo

Pete Geither
02-23-2002, 08:33 PM
Have both.

Cris
02-25-2002, 02:59 AM
Lebenz,

Thank you for your compliment. I am sure I will like this crowd, everyone seems very nice.

:)

Subman
02-25-2002, 12:18 PM
94 E420 almost 88K now.
Most of you have most likely seen the pics I have posted of my car if not just look at the one in my sig.
I have many things done to it and I just put new bilstine sport shocks in on Friday, and I am very impressed they ride great and stiffend up my car a lot. With the springs and the shocks my car has reduced body roll dermaticly.
Subman

dieseldude
02-25-2002, 12:56 PM
As of one week ago last Wednesday, I'm in the M119 crew! Found a absolutely fantastic example of a'95 (42kmi - starmarked to 100k, pearl black on grey) and bought it the same day. This is after 6 months of nationwide searching - it was a local car too!

Spent last Saturday washing/claying/polishing/waxing and the paint nearly glows - the interior is very fresh and clean. I'm posting my review of my first road trip last weekend in the hot-rods forum later this morning.

Pictures are forthcoming- I'm getting some before-and-after's when the chrome '15 get replaced and the smoked corners and S600 grill get added.

Regards,
- Ryan

-fad
03-06-2002, 05:47 PM
Please see details in the classifieds.

tks-fad

Dcraig
04-24-2002, 02:25 AM
How did I miss this thread??

'94 E420, 92,000 miles, 17" AMG Monoblocks with Kumho 225/45/17's. Illuminated 'AMG' door sills (not installed yet), differential upgrade soon (2.82) along with springs and roll bars. Purchased 11/24/01.

Craig

Cris
04-24-2002, 02:51 AM
You're right Craig !

We were already missing you and your beautiful car at this thread. I am glad that you join to the list ! :)

Subman
04-24-2002, 03:00 AM
I am confused is your name Cris, or Cristina?
Or is Cristina what you call your car? (it looks good by the way)
Just wondering
Subman

Dcraig
04-24-2002, 03:01 AM
Hey Cris-

I was hoping to meet you at the last GTG, but I couldn't make it.

Craig

Cris
04-24-2002, 03:13 AM
Hey Subman, my name is Cristina, but you can call me Cris...

Craig, I was not able to make it to the last GTG... so bad I am not going to go to the next one May 4th. but I am sure we can meet in a near future.

The question is: Should I park my car next to yours ? I do not want to be intimidated by your nice ride !

:p

Dcraig
04-24-2002, 03:17 AM
I didn't know there was one on the 4th. Been out of it lately

Well, I am going to the Benzsport BBQ at the end of June! You better park next to me.

Craig

Cris
04-24-2002, 03:29 AM
Craig,

Sounds like a plan of action !

Just let us know about the BBQ on June and I will bring the beers and meet you there !

If you would like to check what is going on for the May 4th. gathering here's the link:

http://www.benzsport.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=000140

Dcraig
04-24-2002, 03:34 AM
OK. Quit showing off with all the pics.

Craig

Cris
04-24-2002, 03:45 AM
Why ? Still have lots of pics... and wait until I complete all the upgrades ! :D

Subman
04-24-2002, 03:55 AM
How about this

Subman
04-24-2002, 03:56 AM
Or this

Cris
04-24-2002, 04:13 AM
Subman,

Your car looks fantastic ! Thanks for posting the pictures.

CarolinaMBZ
04-24-2002, 01:23 PM
My first OHC V-8. At what mileage are you guys replacing your timing chains? Anyone in the headcount in the Charleston area?

Subman
04-24-2002, 05:14 PM
I have 89K on my car, it just turned over yesterday. I dont want to get to the big 100K, cars just do not seem to be as new when you say that you have 100K on it.
I plan to do the chain and a bunch of other things at 100K. I would not let the chain go more than 110k.
Subman

tkd_M119
06-06-2002, 05:48 AM
Great 400s everyone! Hope I'm not too late to the party. Here's mine enjoying a day at the beach. I've had it for just over two weeks. Its was thanks to all the postings of all the other 400e owners that I became convinced that I'd have to try owning one.

amg280
06-06-2002, 02:36 PM
I also have a 92 400E , Black/Black, ASR , factory CD , 110K.

Absolutely am in love with it!

-Andy

400E_FAN
08-05-2003, 08:35 PM
I picked mine up about a 6 weeks ago. It is a '92 with 96K on it. White/Tan Interior/ASR/Phone/CD Changer
....Replaced tires, door check (the procedure on this site was a great help), fixed broken driver side mirror handle. Tightened up the seat anchors so that stopped the rattles I was hearing. Next job is to change plugs, distributor caps, fuel filters. Runs smooth and fast....My GMC YUKON does not get driven much these days :-)

Matt

Larry Delor
08-06-2003, 12:25 AM
Here is mine :)

ESVIC
08-06-2003, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by Subman
Or this

Nice photo shot!

rmasteller
08-07-2003, 03:44 PM
I bought a 1994 E420 in December 2002 from a local MB Dealer with a 3-year Starmark warranty. It's metallic black (gray?) with black leather, ASR, heated seats, and stock everything. It has 65,xxx miles on it now. I love it. With Michilen MXV4's and ASR, it actually did very well in the "bad" winter we had this year. My only complaints are the high engine temps in warm weather (up to 105c before electric fans kick in) and not the best road feel on the highway. I'm playing around with tire pressures to get the "float" feeling to decrease. Oh, and the transmission shifts HARD from 1st to 2nd. My car starts in 1st, is that normal or did a previous owner modify the car? Most older (1960s - 70s) Benzs with automatics start in 2nd gear.

Anyone else with a W124/M119 from Ohio?

wjm
08-07-2003, 03:54 PM
I bought a 1994 E420 in December 2002 from a local MB Dealer with a 3-year Starmark warranty.
Congrats. Can I ask how much you paid for it? My only complaints are the high engine temps in warm weather (up to 105c before electric fans kick in) and not the best road feel on the highway.
Get a Cool Harness from JIMF. The info is on this page: http://pages.prodigy.net/jforgione/MB_S500.html
My car starts in 1st, is that normal or did a previous owner modify the car? Nope, you're 94 E420 should start in first gear. I remember talking to the bergwerks folks about this and they assured me that it does. Here is their application guide for the 1st Gear Start Control Module. These cars start in 2nd: http://bergwerks.com/control_module.jsp#appg

Anyone else with a W124/M119 from Ohio?
I'm in metro-detroit... but I make it down to Columbus on occasion.

rmasteller
08-07-2003, 04:55 PM
WJM,
Hi. You already have one, so I don't know why you're asking about prices, but I paid $19,500. It had 53,000 miles on it at purchase, was a one-owner documented car, and had all service records stamped by a local dealer. Local dealer also provided a printout of service and repair records and provided a MVI to show more information/history. It was probably a bit too high of a price, but it was the car I wanted and you don't see many for sale around here. I didn't want to buy one without driving it and examing it myself.

I looked at JIMF's web site - Awesome!!

Thanks for the 1st gear start confirmation. Any comments on the firm up shifts? It happens about 80% of the time. Since 20% of the 1 - 2 up shifts are good, it know I can do it.

Thanks,

wjm
08-07-2003, 05:02 PM
As far as the price goes.. i was just just curious what these are still going for.

I don't seem to have a shifting problem. You may just want to have it checked out. When was the last trans service done?

rmasteller
08-07-2003, 06:01 PM
Trans. service was done when they brought the car in on trade. This was at was at 52,900, they did it because there was no stamp on the 45,000 mile service in the book. It was done again at 62,500 (a little late on the 60,000 mile service). Of course the dealer says "it's normal". I held my ground that it was not normal. They were kind enough to supply some "special" transmission fluid this time for an extra $100. I asked "what is it, synthetic?" and the service writer said "yes, it's also just a better fluid that could help your shifting." It didn't do anything.

When I say "hard shift", I mean that I can hear the plastic trim in the car squeak if the radio is off.

wjm
08-07-2003, 06:39 PM
Well,

I suggest you open a new thread for this on the tech forum. Use something like "W124 94 E420 Hard shifting from 1 to 2".

Also, check this out
Transmission Adjustment (http://www.mercedesdismantlers.com/722.3and722.416_transmission_adjustments#722.3%20Series%20and%20722.416%20Transmission%20Adjustments )

rdsc49
08-12-2003, 06:33 PM
I have a '92 400e with 195k kms.
I really like it. Goes like #%@$.
Right now it needs a little tlc, but nothing time and money can't fix.
I am in sunny Ontario (or rainy this week!!)

...Bob

amg280
08-12-2003, 08:20 PM
My 92 400E also has a horrible 1st to 2nd gear change. Everyone that rides in my car is like whats wrong with the tranny. It bumps soo hard it moves your neck. In fact, my flex disk is wore out, and is probably partly contributed to this 1st to 2nd shift.

Other than that, I love it. Goes like hell.

Holson Adi
08-13-2003, 12:10 AM
I missed this thread,

Bought an E420 a few months back. 83k mi. and now it's already got 84k mi. just because it was so much fun to drive. My first ever V-8! Never drove a V8 before. Not one that sounds as sweet at least.

http://users.rcn.com/holsonyap/420.jpg

http://users.rcn.com/holsonyap/420_1.jpg

http://users.rcn.com/holsonyap/E4201.jpg

All stock for now. I'll be ordering some EvoII's soon though.

wjm
08-13-2003, 12:33 AM
Bought an E420 a few months back. 83k mi. and now it's already got 84k mi. just because it was so much fun to drive.
Holson, You crack me up. According to your post, you've put 1000 miles on your car in a few months? wow. Is that considered a lot of driving in Jakarta? :)

Holson Adi
08-13-2003, 06:53 PM
Yes, 1000 mi. would be A LOT of STRESSFUL driving in Jakarta. Stressful for both the car and I.. all those little motorcycles cutting through traffic, scratching your car in doing so....

also... it'd take ages to do 1000mi. in the city unless u know where to avoid traffic (out of the city)...

;) But it's a fun city nonetheless.. :)

oh well... I guess Boston's not too bad.. :)

chapayne
01-23-2004, 12:47 AM
I love this Car!!

iwrock
01-25-2004, 01:41 PM
one 400e here, best, and coolest car ever

bigben3
07-11-2004, 10:32 AM
I also own a 1994 MB E-420, You might as well add me to your list, that is if you are still trying to see how many of us still have one. 120000 K on the odometer.

KyGuy
07-12-2004, 04:28 PM
Hey-

Add me. Purchased in February. $15500 tax, license, registration.
Canadian car. Spedo was changed out when coming to USofA, but other gauges and HVAC are in Celsius. I'm getting pretty good a C-F conversions!!

Had about 52K total miles when I got it. Silver with dark blue interior.

Just added Alpine MP3 player and Porterfield pads. Next upgrades are wheels (16" 8 hole) and front sway bar.

Holson Adi
07-12-2004, 05:42 PM
it's back...

All stock for now. I'll be ordering some EvoII's soon though.

:D "soon".. yeah right... that was a year ago hehehe

http://users.rcn.com/holsonyap/E420_Celica/E420-05.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/holsonyap/E420_Celica/E420-08.jpg
http://users.rcn.com/holsonyap/E420_Celica/E420Int-01.jpg

91,500 miles now and it's breaking apart :p well not, but it's finally needed repairs after a year of trouble -free ownership...

I guess it still is a 10 yr old 92k mi. car

now... why did MB not make a 400CE/ E420 Coupe?! :(

bigben3
07-12-2004, 06:03 PM
Have had mine for 1 year now and it is starting to break apart, noisy lifter, throttle actuator(actually wiring harness going south) oh well not bad for 129000 K. Checked the oil tubes and they are all ok, I now have to find out how you go about changing the lifters on the E-420 looks like it can be real mean??

vanakin
08-17-2004, 12:29 AM
I own a blue E420. No maintanance issues at all, will not let it go for anything. 145k and kicking strong.

carntrucknut
01-08-2005, 05:04 AM
Have only had for 2 months now, and love it. Can't wait to get some 16" or 17" wheels with new tires under this incredible automobile. Torque to weight ratio and incredible top-end is just a pleasure to drive.
I plan on keeping this MBZ for MANY years.
I've had my 81 300D for over 14years now... and now my son drives it!
You gotta love the Benz folks and how they build their automobiles.
CABenz, Bay Area :)

Benzspoiled
01-09-2005, 05:27 PM
Hello all, I am fairly new to this site and I think it's wonderful. I'm the proud new owner of a 93 400e.This is my first benz. I purchased it almost 4 months ago and it is in great condition. I've since painted the grille insert black and upgraded to chromed 430 oem 16in. wheels with 225/50/16 tires. Next I plan to add a remus exhaust.

Mike400E
02-09-2005, 08:51 PM
I have a '93 400E with 109K miles now. Black on gray, a VERY nice color combination. Black is VERY hard to keep clean! I bought it used from a Lexus dealer (LOL!) 3 1/2 years ago. Here are my mods:

2.82 rear dif swap - unbelievable!!
H&R Lowering springs - subtle cool look
Cut out resonator - subtle but nice
2X10" subs in a custom box vented through the rear deck - big bass!
Car came with 16" chrome wheels

Wish list - New muffler, a little louder and chrome.
New 17" wheels.
Turbo/supercharger ~ 400HP or so. (Wife not interested........)

Dilberto
01-19-2006, 05:54 PM
Looking for Euro grill fenders.

Real420
01-29-2006, 03:11 AM
I have an E420SE with 94k, I have zero car envy. OK a little for a 500E but My MPG is 20.8 and I can Live with that.SE package also had high pressure heated headlight washers with wipers.Mine did not have Any thing for a cell phone and my car did not come with a cd player,but I do have ten seperate speakers. I also have traction control. I get better milage at 80 mph than 65 mph. smooth shifting everytime.excellent braking. well balanced and just plain big V-8 power. Dual overhead camshafts mounted on an aluminum block.and a light grey leather with fine wood trim. Not the cheap thin new stuff thats out there. I could go on for days. Just put my name in the hat as a proud owner Grey on grey 95 E420SE

tkd_M119
01-30-2006, 10:20 PM
Dilberto - what kind of exhaust do you have? Your car looks great!

Smokiesman
01-30-2006, 11:41 PM
Dang how did I miss this thread??:confused: :confused: :confused: Had for over a year now the sweetest 95 E420 called Bigblue!:) :) :) She be one sweet machine! she got 140k on the meter and still thinks it's a pup!!:) :)

Smokie

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/Smokiesman/DSCF1871.jpg

Federico
02-02-2006, 08:54 PM
1994 e420 73k. H&R springs with no springpads.
17 inch AMG monoblock IIs. custom exhaust.
also a 93 500e:)

wjm
04-24-2006, 09:44 AM
I STILL have my 94 E420. Have owned it for over 5 years now. Still going strong!!!! White with 114K miles.

DRICHFL
04-27-2006, 06:17 AM
1994 W124/E420 I should have did this head count years ago....

KyGuy
04-27-2006, 12:01 PM
Still driving mine.

Just turned 70,000 miles. Took a sweet road trip last April (20th Anniversary) to Napa, the Willamette Valley in Oregon and Walla Walla in south east Washington. Wine tour. Outstanding. Car was awesome. Put about 3,000 miles on the odo.

Changed out the rotors and caps before the trip. No brainer thanks to the DYI section here. If you haven’t done this, do it soon. Averaged over 26 mpg on the trip and from Roseburg, Oregon to Northern Cali we averaged almost 40 mpg.

Haven’t done the upgrades as cash has been used to finish house remodel.

Ciao for now

EliotW
06-15-2006, 06:35 PM
1994 E420 in 040 Black with Gray Trim
125,000 Miles
Equipped with the Car Phone Package, Headlight Washers, and Trunk Mounted CD Changer.
I've swapped in Euro Lights and a set of SLK pedals. Otherwise its stock.

AS Design
06-16-2006, 10:24 PM
1992 Mercedes 400E/ E500 custom converted.

now under construction: CarbonFiber Fenders, Rear wideBody for 19x13 rims in rear. Re paint (soon), Wald custom widebody kit. Custom CarbonFiber Hood (not exposed).

More info... www.SoCalCarbon.com (my site, just got it up)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6773/bnzsportaf212small3hx.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2198/spictures22009small5nu.jpg

Albert S.

iwrock
06-16-2006, 10:38 PM
Albert, I love your car!!!


I would love a set of new fenders.... I have been looking at the progress of your CF mods, and I must say I am very impressed!!! Those huge flares for the back of the 124 are going to be awesome!

garswa
06-24-2006, 06:32 PM
Just traded in my '92 300E for an ebay '97 E420. My 300E had 190K miles but the engine purred so sweetly that until I read on this forum that this was status quo, I thought it was a rebuilt or new engine.

Anyway the E420 is like riding on a turbo-ised magic carpet. My kids love the stylized look of the 420 where they disliked the 300. I've yet to really open her up on the highway, but from what I've experienced so far, I like the W124 ride better than the W210.

I still haven't changed my point of view that I'd much rather buy a 9 year old Mercedez than a new US or Japanese (with the exception of the Maxima).:D

natural_person
08-13-2006, 04:20 AM
1992 400E 100,000 miles.

Got it May 1st in exchange for a gold coin collection. No ASR (thank goodness), no optional passenger airbag (more storage space!) Spent the last two months cleaning it up, changed all fluids, new springs, wheels, tires, ECU chip. Installed keyless entry & selectable 1st/2nd gear start. Changed steering wheel & shift knob; knob now says "V8". Retrofitted OEM HID projectors from an ML320. I think I'm almost done now : )

ESVIC
08-13-2006, 10:07 PM
1992 Mercedes 400E/ E500 custom converted.

now under construction: CarbonFiber Fenders, Rear wideBody for 19x13 rims in rear. Re paint (soon), Wald custom widebody kit. Custom CarbonFiber Hood (not exposed).

More info... www.SoCalCarbon.com (my site, just got it up)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6773/bnzsportaf212small3hx.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2198/spictures22009small5nu.jpg

Albert S.

Nice site Albert

impalabuilder
09-21-2006, 05:55 PM
My wife-to-be bought a 1989 260E. She totaled it in under a year...doing 40 mph into the back of a pickup while searching for her cell phone on the passenger's floor. Seatbelt definately saved her life.

So I bought her a 93 400E. I am currently squatting with the excuse of my long commute. I plan on swapping in a 2.82 diff when I get a free moment.