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Johnhef
04-17-2008, 10:47 PM
First date of the season is April 27th- I wonder If I'm going to have any other diesel competition this year or will I have to shame the gassers again :D
I'm about to order track tires for it to go on the lightweight CLK wheels I just picked up.

Can anyone reccommend a site that sells a good pyrometer setup? prefererably by VDO.

Any and all tips to squeeze more power out of this thing would be great- currently running no alda and about 14psi or so. I think after getting a pyrometer the next step would be to turn up the screw inside the pump right?

One last question, the air flap box under the air filter housing, does it actually hinder anything at all if no other emission devices are on the car? I may remove it in favor of a 123's intake tube, I've seen a similar setup recently that fit.

Wish me luck!

bgkast
04-17-2008, 10:51 PM
egauges.com seems to have good prices for pyrometers.

babymog
04-17-2008, 11:00 PM
I can't imagine the air flow sensor does much if any measurable restricting, you can always run a set-screw through it to keep it open. On the other hand, weight up front is weight to lose.

GREASY_BEAST
04-18-2008, 02:49 AM
Is intercooling on the menu? Propane might get you something for cheap if thats what you are after, but more fuel and more, colder air should probably be priorities number 1 and 2. Within the confines of exhaust gas temperature limits (which are low) and head gasket limits (which are exceedingly high)... Don't know much about the 603 specifically, but I gather they are capable of some power... don't know precisely how much with stock IP though.. Another area that should theoretically net some benefits might be injector work, specifically an extrude hone or EDM operation...

For autox you probably want to avoid anything that will delay spooling of the turbo as well, so exhaust removal or enlargement, as well as intake restriction removal should help some..

Johnhef
04-18-2008, 07:52 AM
I do have an intercooler from a 202 that will fit behind the lower front bumper- still have to figure out piping and such, maybe for next year.

I was thinking about exhaust- I have an extra downpipe from a 617 and to the eye it looks like it would bolt up, but I haven't tried yet. I dont want to destroy the exhaust on it now by cutting anything.

Zeitgeist
04-18-2008, 02:21 PM
How have you setup your suspension for X-cross?

Johnhef
04-19-2008, 12:11 AM
Bilstein sport shocks and H&R springs. new ball joints, sway bushings and LCA bushing up front.

Spoke with Luke today and ordered the tires from Tirerack. Should have them mid next week.

Zeitgeist
04-19-2008, 12:05 PM
How is the ride with that spring/shock combo? I'm preparing to dump a chunk of change into chassis upgrades for the wagon, and would prefer a final product that's equally at home on the street or track.

I used to run the same 17" (ET 34 & 37?) rims as in your pic, but hated the bump-steer effect, presumably from the incorrect offset. I've since installed the 16" versions (ET 30 & 34) and have been very pleased with the ride and handling.

Johnhef
04-20-2008, 09:18 AM
Its defintily a bit more stiff :) over the stock setup of course but not unbearable in use as a daily driver. You sure do get to feel all those minor bumps in the road. I havent noticed the steer problem you mention though. I went with those cause I had a free set of street tires in that size with a pretty stiff sidewall to use for last year.

Johnhef
04-23-2008, 01:13 AM
Trial fit the new wheels on it tonight, quite a nicer ride too with that extra bit of rubber. I came home to find the new tires waiting for me on the porch so I'll be putting them on tomorrow.

I had some extra time after work tonight so I wanted to try something. Ever since seeing a youtube video of a 300SDL with a straightpipe and thinking it didnt sound too bad, I've wanted to try it. I've also been wondering if my exhaust is starting to plug up at all. I had a downpipe from a 617 engine, so after removing the complete exhaust off the car, I bolted the 617 downpipe on.

The upper end fits exactly the same, but it's slightly taller, meaning it sits lower then the original pipe. On a normal car this probably wouldnt be a problem but with mine being lowered, it did scrape over speed bumps. I added a 45-degree turn down at the end of the downpipe and fired it up. God what a racket.

We took it out on the road to see some results, but being in Germantown MD aka cop central I couldn't really push it too hard. Had a cop directly behind me for about a mile as well (plus his windows were down, d'oh!) he passed without saying anything to us as we continued on to the interstate. I did notice a few things (besides the noise!). The boost pressure obviously builds up extremly fast now and in all gears to what would be (on my 0 - 15psi gauge) about 20 PSI and probably higher but the gauge may have limited itself from going around a second time. Normally 14 PSI is max with pedal to the floor, in 4th gear it will slowly climb slightly higher to 16-17. I couldnt discern if the car was actually any quicker though.

I was contemplating on swapping out my exhaust for this short pipe on the fridays evenings before the autocross sundays to try and gain a little advantage but, without some sort of noise reduction I think I'm going to scrap that idea.

apologies for the poor quality image and video, I only had my phone with me, but you get the idea :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/M5w2rGhnsJM

Johnhef
04-27-2008, 10:20 PM
Still waiting on the results from todays event to be posted but I think I did pretty well! Our course today was a large outer loop with a skid-pad type circle in the middle you had to encircle twice- I was a little rusty in the morning since it had been last november since I had last run, but the afternoon runs showed improvement, gaining almost 4 seconds over my first run in the morning. I managed to stay very close to the other gasoline models and even beat a few of them as well! I'll post the times as soon as they are released.

This was my first time with the new light CLK wheels and track tires. They were quite an improvement over the street tires I used last year.

iwrock
04-27-2008, 11:16 PM
That W124 looks awesome flyin around the corners....

Ara T.
04-28-2008, 02:00 AM
Those rims look great on W124s. I've seen some on W123s and they look terrible on that car, but on a W124... nice!

Johnhef
04-30-2008, 12:14 AM
Here's the MB only times from Sunday:



1) 86 190E 2.3-16 50.318
2) 92 190E 2.6 50.592
3) 03 E55 AMG 50.625
4) 86 190E 2.3 51.257
5) 93 400E 51.791
6) 93 400E 52.036
7) 87 300D 52.756
8) 86 190E 2.3-16 53.103
9) 86 190E 2.3-16 53.615
10) 97 C280 53.770
11) 67 230SL 53.954
12) 07 SLK350 54.226
13) 93 400E 54.740
14) 00 CLK320 56.157
15) 97 C280 56.612
16) 97 C280 57.961
17) 93 400E 59.373

benzforlife
04-30-2008, 02:03 AM
u know, thats not a half bad time. considering the AMG was only 2 seconds quicker!

ForcedInduction
04-30-2008, 01:17 PM
Thats alot of MB's racing in one place. :D

Beating an 07 SLK350 and 93 400E is either very impressive or they weren't trying. :P

Johnhef
05-01-2008, 11:13 PM
They're been doing it longer then I have :) both were running track tires.

Shawn D.
05-14-2008, 01:21 PM
I used to run the same 17" (ET 34 & 37?) rims as in your pic, but hated the bump-steer effect, presumably from the incorrect offset.
That's a scrub radius issue, not bump steer. Bump steer is a change in toe as the suspension moves up and down.

Deni
05-14-2008, 05:32 PM
Oh boy, were the others even trying? You've got a GREAT place in that list! I bet it has more to do with the driver than the car. The 16 valvers should be about perfect for autocross.

omegabenz
05-25-2008, 07:35 PM
When is your next autocross? My area has a couple the first weekend of each month in my area. I may try to head out.

I just put these camber plates from RDM TEK on my 500E, stiffened up the front end a bit, increased turn-in feel, yet still rides great on the freeway:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220237534919

I think I may go with their rear camber kit too because Im running 275/35/18 tires in back and I don't want to wear them down too fast, I have about -3.5 degrees in the back.

Johnhef
05-25-2008, 09:32 PM
It was today, I just got home.

Did pretty well again, beat one of the 400E's this time. Still waiting for the results to be posted.

heres the course layout from today: http://gws-mbca.org/ax/ax-08/ax08-2_course.pdf

Johnhef
05-26-2008, 05:46 PM
Results from yesterday:

1) 86 190E 2.3-16 52.997
2) 93 400E 54.092
3) 86 190E 2.3-16 54.816
4) 87 300D 55.025
5) 03 E55 AMG 55.310
6) 01 SLK320 55.938
7) 93 400E 55.940
8) 07 SLK350 56.090
9) 86 190E 2.3-16 56.539
10) 97 C280 57.432
11) 67 230SL 57.718
12) 93 400E 57.852
13) 02 CLK430 62.225
14) 08 Smart Coupe 66.610
15) 98 C280 67.843
16) 98 C280 69.840

Deni
05-26-2008, 06:06 PM
Are the other guys running with ebrakes engaged, or pulling a huge trailer? THe look slooooooooooooow compared to your time!

Well done! You must be pretty happy now.

Johnhef
05-27-2008, 11:52 PM
Some new pics from sunday thanks to my friend with the 400E that beat me. Hmmm...spygate? :D

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/johnhef/87%20300D/DSCN0300.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/johnhef/87%20300D/DSCN0303.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/johnhef/87%20300D/DSCN0304.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/johnhef/87%20300D/DSCN0305.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/johnhef/87%20300D/DSCN0306.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y159/johnhef/87%20300D/DSCN0307.jpg

Still waiting on video, I'll post them to youtube when I get them.

Deni
05-28-2008, 03:25 AM
What mods do you have on your engine? What sort of tires are those?

Johnhef
05-30-2008, 08:52 PM
Engine- nothing much really, no emissions devices, no alda, ~14 or so psi.

Tires are BF Goodrich R1's.

Got the video uploaded but having a snafu with youtube, I keep getting an error message so I'll keep working on it and post the link as soon as I figure it out.

Johnhef
05-30-2008, 09:03 PM
ahh cool it works now, enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JdSMM3l-nY

Zeitgeist
05-31-2008, 12:50 AM
Hey, that's pretty cool. I'm currently setting my S124 up for the same sort of fun with SL600 brakes, Limo/500E bars, H&R springs, Bilstein Sports and N2O/Propane injection. Can't wait to see how things go with that setup. Though I've always wanted to try my hand, I've never actually autocrossed, so this should be interesting.

Deni
05-31-2008, 05:30 PM
That's interesting, no wheel spin at the start but in second yes. Do you have an automatic?

I can't see the louvres on the right side fender. Don't the USA turbos have them?

Zeitgeist
05-31-2008, 08:55 PM
I can't see the louvres on the right side fender. Don't the USA turbos have them?

For whatever reason, here in North America only the '87 190D 2.5 Turbo, '90-'93 300D 2.5 Turbo and '95 E300D had the louvered fenders.

Johnhef
06-01-2008, 12:19 AM
All of them over here are automatics afaik.

I'm looking for one of those fenders, some rust from behind those hideous chrome arches cracked the RF fender when we rolled them so now I've got an excuse to put one of that style on now.

babymog
06-01-2008, 01:09 PM
My '87 does that also. The launch is w/o much boost on the stock setup, but full-throttle 1-2 shift is at full power, gives a generous kick in the seat, can't do it if you're on a curve without spinning but straight-line it's just a kick and a squat.

That's interesting, no wheel spin at the start but in second yes.<<snip>>

Deni
06-01-2008, 06:08 PM
My '87 does that also. The launch is w/o much boost on the stock setup, but full-throttle 1-2 shift is at full power, gives a generous kick in the seat, can't do it if you're on a curve without spinning but straight-line it's just a kick and a squat.

Wouldn't power braking give a faster take off? My 190d spins the rears like crazy if I go over too zealous with the throttle before take off. As far as I've seen keeping it at about 3000 rpm and then dumping the clutch gives the fastest take off with minimal wheelspin. Higher than that and the tires spin helplessly, lower and the engine will bog for a moment.

@Johnhef - Forgot to add that your driving looks great! Very smooth :thumbsup:.

babymog
06-01-2008, 08:33 PM
The torque converter stalls ~2krpm, not enough boost to do much (especially with 2.65 gears) on launch and powerbraking doesn't change that.

I'm considering a higher-stall TC as an alternative to a shorter rear screw for faster launches, would certainly shave .5-1sec from the course time IMO.

I had a 190D 2.5turbo, we didn't get them with the manual transmission over here though. The 300D Turbo is a faster car (by the numbers), one more cylinder and only 300lbs more car. The 190D did have a wheelspin problem even with the auto-transmission, I think the TC stalled closer to 2200rpm.

What's the final-drive ratio on your car? In the US the 190D 2.5turbo is also a 2.65:1.

Johnhef
06-01-2008, 09:26 PM
The 2nd and 3rd runs were started powerbraking to build up 5psi before launch. I had let out too much air in the front tires before the second run and you can hear it in the clip.

hobbitss
06-01-2008, 11:20 PM
Nice... I like the little puffs of diesel smoke...
That course makes me appreciate the facility we are fortunate to have access to here in New England...

Deni
06-02-2008, 07:04 AM
What's the final-drive ratio on your car? In the US the 190D 2.5turbo is also a 2.65:1.

I have no idea. In 5th at 90 kph I'm at a tad lower than 2000 rpm. 1st gear is 40ish kph, 2nd 75ish kph, 3rd is 120 kph, 4th is 160 kph, then 5th is drag limited I guess (highest I got it to was 195+ kph).

Don't know if you can figure out the diff ratio from those numbers alone.

babymog
06-02-2008, 10:18 AM
You should be able to plug your VIN into http://www.mbclub.ru/mb/vin/?lng=eng and find out.