Guys,

I came across this car, and I've always thought that the Hammer was the 500E.. so is it this instead?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=595681804

32V 5.0L Powerplant.. sounds seriously trick.
if only the car wasn't so modified exterior wise...

the wheels are also not to my liking.. but still is an awesome W126!

Cheers,
-

The AMG Hammer originally came out as a W124 derivative MB during the mid to late eighties. The engine was massaged by AMG while the body work and suspension got the AMG treatment as well.

The E500/500Es were produced (in conjunction with Porsche) and sold by the factory. These came out in the early 90s (91-95 in Europe, 92-94 in the US).

They aren't the same cars.

AMG though, being a tuner, created some W126 coupes and sedans with the Hammer treatment. AMG also did one offs for those who cared for (and could afford) them. With enough money, AMG would create (almost) anything for ya...

Also, all of the exterior modifications on that car are factory AMG for the 126 chassis. The wheels are original AMG's for that model as well. I know, they're not pretty nowadays but they were head-turners back in the 80's! You have to find the right people who know and respect the retro AMG exterior mods, as I've heard they can be harder cars to sell for the owner's asking price. That guy probably spent more money that you would ever want to know and probably won't get even close to his investment unfortunately, unless he finds the right buyer.

Mike

Confused,

I know AMG is now owned by MB, so I assume the E55 AMGs etc are done in the factory (??)

In the instance of this '85 W126, where was the conversion done, AMG factory in Germany or?

The Hammer engine "term" seems a bit ambiguous (at least in this context). Maybe the word is used to loosely... Would this e-Bay car have the same powerplant as the W124 Hammer?

Wonder what kind of HP we're looking at? :)

I'm intrigued, but the exterior mods make it look at like it's right out of "Miami Vice" ;)

I think it's a sweet lookin W126.
I hate the painted grille, I'd just restore it back to chrome.
But, everything else looks awesome..
really defines Mercedes Hot Rod of the '80s..
Oh yeah... the American style lights don't work either.. just don't like 'em.

The interior is really trick!
Love it!
definitely one of the nicest 'tricked out' Benz I've ever seen..

Ted, the Hammer was one of AMG's first models. I believe it came out in 1987. In the 80's AMG was just a young start up company, their sales where nowhere near today's. The only AMG's I seen that came before the Hammer are 126 sedans/coupes, and 123 coupes. AMG really became huge when Mercedes started selling their products in MB dealerships with full warranties. In the USA this happened in 1995 with the AMG C36. MB bought out AMG a few years ago and the flood of AMG cars started. When AMG was bought out they went from just another Merc tuner like Carlsson, and Brabus to a in-house tuner like BMW MotorSport. Just think today in the USA you can buy 11 different AMG/M cars and in 1993 that number was a big fat zero!

Originally posted by w126
Confused,

I know AMG is now owned by MB, so I assume the E55 AMGs etc are done in the factory (??)

In the instance of this '85 W126, where was the conversion done, AMG factory in Germany or?



AMG engine modifications are still made at the AMG facilities in Affalterbach.

Moreso prior to the MB purchase of AMG as MB had nothing to do with them other than selling them the complete cars for AMG to modify as they please.

Originally posted by Mr.W123
In the 80's AMG was just a young start up company...

AMG was set up in 1967. It got its start it motorsports, but started producing modified MBs for the public. They later on teamed up with MB in the late 80s for the German Touring Car Championships. The two companies then forged an agreement where MB agreed to sell AMG modified vehicles in the MB showrooms. Just recently, MB purchased a controlling stake in AMG.

ATTN GUYS. THE PIC I JUST POSTED IS A TRUE AMG HAMMER 124 CHASIS 300E BODY STYLE. IT WAS OWNED BY ANDY COHEN. OWNER AND FOUNDER OF BEVERLY HILLS MOTORING ACCESSORIES. AS FOR AMG ILL TELL YOU THE BIG MYSTERY WHEN I TOURED THE FACTORY IN 1996 AS A GUEST OF CEC. I TALK THE THE REGIONAL VIP WHO WAS INCHARGE OFF THE EUROPEAN AND ASIAN MARKETS. I THOUGHT THE SAME QUESTION,HE TOLD ME THAT AMG IS SUB LEASED TO MERCEDES BENZ FOR GET THIS 60 YRS HA HA THAT WAS NUTS WHEN HE TOLD ME THAT. SO THERE YOU GO. AFTER 60 YRS OR SO HE HE AMG IS STILL ITS OWN LITTTLE CO.

PLEASE CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE I HAVE ALOT OF PICS OF THE TOUR OF THE FACTORY.



GUIDO

http://home.earthlink.net/~italianbenz
;)

Hey Guido, I don't see any HAMMER pics on your site. You said the pic you posted was a real HAMMER, where did you post the pic?

Thanks for the AMG 101 History lesson, guys! That clears up a lot of my confusion.

This is a variation on the Hammer 300E (6.0L 32V M117 V8), a Hammer 300CE with updated wheels.

It was on ebay, and on consignment at Bruce Strauss Autocare in Costa Mesa, CA.

It doesn't have an air pump or EGR, so it won't pass SMOG in California. It's currently registered in Nevada. These pictures are about 9-months old.

FWIW, AMG had a facility in Illinois. I'm looking for my Hammer 300TE (6.0L 16V M117 V8) pictures.

Enjoy,
:-) neil
1988 360TE AMG
1993 500E

http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/bruce/images/DSCN0092.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/bruce/images/DSCN0093.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/bruce/images/DSCN0094.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/bruce/images/DSCN0061.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/bruce/images/DSCN0062.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/bruce/images/DSCN0063.jpg

Thats really nice. So this was a special one off, right? Does anyone have any idea how fast the acceleration was for Hammers? I think I hear somewhere that top speed was around 180 mph.

Neil -

Just out of curiosity, what was the asking price for the hammer couple?

I've seen two Hammers on ebay in the last few years. One was a wagon located in the Northeast. It was low milage, one owner (I think), but had a very tacky body kit. Don't know if it ever sold - I think the reserve was in the $15K-20K range.

The other was located in the Chicago area. I can't even remember if it was a sedan or wagon. Appeared to be quite tattered, broken odometer, milage unknown but quite high, etc. I think they were looking for about $10K.

Were all Hammers 32v V8s? I'm thinking some of them were 16 valve 6.0liter M117 engines. Or am I mistaken?

- Jim

The asking price for the hammer coupe was $45K, and it still needed $2-3K of work to get in SMOG legal in California.

The original Hammer was a 6.0L 16V M117 V8, the 32V head was a special option.

I drove it and off-the-line it was fast, but not very fast due to the autobahn gearing. If I remember correctly it hit 125 MPH in 3rd gear (4-speed automatic).

Once "on the cam" at 4300 RPM, watch out. 75-120 MPH in the blink of an eye.

Here's more AMG Hammer Wagon pictures and the optional 32V M117 V8.

Enjoy,
:-) neil
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline/images/hammer-wagon.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline/images/300TEamg-interior.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline/images/300TEamg-exterior.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline/images/300TEamg-other.jpg
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/sportline/images/560.AMG.6L-engine.jpg

Great pics Neil!

I'm amazed at the low values of these cars, one would think they would hold up a little better. I know it's a "niche" car, but c'mon!

It'll be interesting to see if this 500SEL "Hammer" on e-Bay hits the resereve.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=595681804

If I remember correctly, the SOHC 6.0-liter M117 engine stuffed into the 300TE went for under $20K (closer to $15K).

I don't know if the 32V DOHC 300CE ever sold.

If you pay someone to do this, it's for the love of it. Passion knows no logical boundaries.

Unfortuantely, these engine are almost passe based upon today's standards.

:-) neil

Neil - Thanks for posting those great rare pics. Is the Hammer Wagons shown the same car. The one with the 2 tone black/grey does not look too good on an AMG Hammer. Both cars could use a little updating, Euros and Monoblocks... Neil did you get new rims?

I posted two different Hammer wagons.

Both are very tired examples, and not that well taken care of.

Yes, my 360TE AMG got new wheels. Factory MB 7.5x17 ET37. Already in Europe, soon to be release in the USA.

They have just enough backpad length to clear my 500E calipers.

:-) neil

I think the term "Hammer" actually goes for the engine instead of the car. On my page I have some pics and info on a 6.0 litre conversion done by AMG. Apparently the salesman referred to it as an AMG Hammer.

AMG 190E 6.0 (http://www.geocities.com/shvoldum/conversions/amg.html)

What do you say?

There seems to be pics of Hammer wagons and coupes, but I can't find one of the sedan. I wonder why that is. Overall, there just isn't much info on the Hammer on the internet. I think the AMG website should have some info on the Hammer one off's.

The engine looks sweet, but it'd probably suit the W126 more...
I'd rather see a 500CE :D
BTW, as much as I hate red CE's... that one looks really really good!

Holson,

That red 300ce is about as close as you can get to a 500ce. I believe that was a 300CE with a 560SEL Motor in it that was massaged by AMG up to 6.0 litres and shoehorned into that 300CE.

I remmeber when this car wa son e-bay. we had talked about it plenty.

Personally if I had enough to buy that car, I would have bought it and an Identical red one, registered the smog legal one, and drove them both. :)

Alon

Can you believe (actually I can) this person actually call this car an "AMG Hammer":
http://www.motorcities.com/contents/00K98514772513.html

http://media7.motorcities.com/00K98514772513D.jpeg

:-( neil

a body kit alone does not a hammer make.. :) hehe

Though I think that car looked nice, the wheels no, but the rest looked fine.

Too bad the engine was an M103 stock, nothing fancy.

Should I call my Car an ASH now that I painted some of the engine?

LOL

Alon

Maybe I could send my 230E back in Indonesia to AMG pay them HUGE amounts of money and make them shoehorn something into it...
...230E 6.0. heheh :D


BTW,

How's this for a 300CE? :)

http://www.mbspares.com.au/AMG-300CE.htm

Talk about shoehorned in. That red car you guys have been discussing is actually a 190E with a 6.0L, not a CE, making the space even harder to come by. The car has electric fans located in the engine bay because an actual fan won't fit in front. This thing is fully stuffed and is probably too overpowered to even get traction before 50mph! Putting a 3.8L in a 190E was tuff enough.
Happy motoring-
Mike

190E 3.8L Hammer... just kidding

Mike,

Both red cars Neil posted are both 124s. One's a coupe, the other's a sedan.

I thought they were talking about Sven's post. It almost looks like a 124 without inspecting it for long!

Mike

Originally posted by EuroCoupe
190E 3.8L Hammer... just kidding

Do you own a 190E 3.8, or were you just kidding? I wasn't sure wether you joked about all of it or just the hammer-part.

If you do own one, I'd be very interested in seeing som pictures of it.

Regards

I think someone on this board does have a 190 AMG, but I think it was 3.4 liter. I can't remember who it was.